Donald Trump stand-in Paris Dennard insisted that black voters had “legitimate questions” about where President Barack Obama was born.

One day after the Republican presidential nominee paid a visit to a black church in Detroit, former New York Mayor and Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani went on CNN to insist that should not have to apologize for questioning Obama’s U.S. citizenship.

The former mayor, instead, demanded that the Democrats should apologize for suggesting that Trump is a racist for bringing the birther agenda to the mainstream,

Later in the day, Dennard went on MSNBC to defend Giuliani’s statements.

“I think idea that members of my community are somehow sitting around the kitchen table and wondering, ‘Donald Trump, should he apologize for raising legitimate questions about the birth certificate of President Obama?’ That’s not the main issue today,” Dennard claimed. “That’s not what’s on the minds of people in my community.”

“You say that it was a legitimate issue,” MSNBC host Alex Witt questioned. “It’s not a legitimate issue. Let’s be real. Come on. And this was something that was started by Donald Trump back in the day. It could be something, if he were to apologize, people would see, ‘Alright, I’m capable of apology. I have a change of heart. I realize that it was wrong to put so much into this birther movement.’”

“Don’t you think that would go a long way?” Witt asked.

“I believe that if truth be told, it was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton campaign in ’08 who started this whisper campaign about President Obama,” Dennard insisted. “Would it help if Hillary Clinton apologized for calling Donald Trump a racist, a bigot and all these things that are unsubstantiated? I don’t think that’s going to move the needle.”

Politifact, a fact checking website, checked Trump’s claims: “Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.”